Discussion 1: Welcome to the ATMIM Book Group "What's Math Got to do With it?". Please introduce yourself and reflect on the preface and introduction.

  • Friday, November 20, 2015 6:37 PM
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    Hi, I am a math specialist in an elementary school in Marlborough, MA.  I learned math in a very procedural, memorization driven type of way.  When I was learning math, another way to solve a problem was not celebrated, it was marked incorrect because you did not follow the procedure, even when the answer was correct.  I am excited that that is changing for our students.  Jo talked about this in the preface.  "Students will be given more challenging tasks and spoon-fed less.  Instead of being told a method and then practicing it, they will need to learn to choose, adapt, and use methods."  She recognizes that this type of teaching and learning take more time.  Even though the standards have been reduced, I still feel the struggle daily of getting through a unit on time, while also still spending the time we need to explore and problem solve. 

  • Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:41 PM
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    I have been teaching mathematics for over 30 years.  In that time, my teaching has changed dramatically.  From early on, I believed in having my students discuss mathematics, investigate, and discover.  This was not at all like I had been taught in a traditional model in New York state.  I have never enjoyed memorizing yet I used to be quite good at it.  Probably not so much anymore!  What I always enjoyed was the challenge of solving a problem and chose to major in mathematics at college because I enjoyed the productive struggle of working on mathematics problems.

    One of the things that Jo says is that mathematics should be more about patterns than memorizing.  I totally agree with this.  She also says that technology should be used to allow all students to access mathematics.  My interpretation is that technology should be used to enhance learning and to promote deeper understanding.  For example, here are patterns in learning number facts, and there is number sense that is developed.  

    As teachers of mathematics, Jo challenges us to help our students to be "mathematical."  In other words, we are challenging our students with complex problems, encouraging them to ask questions, having them choose from a toolbox of standard methods to solve problems, and making connections between methods.  Mathematics in our classrooms should look and sound different than what we were accustomed to.  Our classes should have mathematical chatter and involved learners.  I look forward to supporting my students to become mathematical.

  • Sunday, November 08, 2015 3:08 PM
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    I am in my 16 year of teaching high school mathematics and my thirteenth year as a high school mathematics department head.  Over the course of my career, I have taught in very traditional ways and in some non-traditional ways including using the SIMM-IM curriculum (a standards-based curriculum similar to IMP (Interactive Mathematics Project) based on learning mathematics in context and in collaborative groups.  


    My own learning of mathematics was very traditional and focused, at least early on, on memorization.  I remember struggling to learn my times tables.  To this day, I only have the tables partially memorized and add/subtract to fill in the gaps.  This cut down on my speed as a student which made me think I was not good at mathematics.  Only later did I realize that I was probably understanding multiplication much better than many of peers -- they had simply memorized without knowing why the table actually worked.


    Some thoughts (among many) I have so far:

    • Jo is right -- The high school content standards are jam-packed.  As a high school teacher, I experience first hand the difficulty of slowing down to give students time to grapple with the mathematics.  The Common Core authors have not done much to help us focus the high school curriculum and provide time for students to learn deeply.
    • I do question if all mathematics we teach needs to be "relevant" for the modern world.  Jo argues that we are teaching outdated mathematics that our students will never need.  This is an argument that many have made for quite some time.  Jo also argues that we cannot know "what" mathematics students will actually need in the future.  I think the question of relevance is nice for student interest, but not entirely relevant for student learning.  I would argue that any mathematical topic can be made interesting to students and can help students learn how to be mathematical thinkers.  I am very interested in reading more about Jo's thoughts on how to accomplish that thinking piece.  
    • Jo includes some ideas from Conrad Wolfram in her Introduction.  She says that he believes we spend too much time on the parts of mathematics that can be done by a computer.  I have wondered about this more and more in recent years. Do we at the high school spend too much time even on things such as solving equations when a computer can easily do this for us.  Should we even spend anytime on this task?  What would the mathematics classroom look like if we were truly freed up to use technology to handle algebraic manipulations and computations? What would our assessments look like?
    I am excited to delver further into this book with all of you, and to read more of the specifics Jo has to offer.
  • Saturday, November 07, 2015 4:54 AM
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    I'm Shawn Towle and I have taught math at the middle school level in Maine for 25 years.  I'm a past president of ATOMIM (Maine) and am currently the NCTM Eastern region 1 affiliate services committee representative.  This volunteer work with NCTM allows me to work with all of the NCTM affiliates in New England and New York.  I was so excited to see that ATMIM was hosting an online book group so I joined ATMIM to participate.  My home affiliate in Maine also did a couple of book groups and I learned so much from those experiences that I wanted to give it a go again.


    I read the original edition of the book a few years ago and picked up my new updated edition at the NCTM convention this past spring in Boston.  Right now, my superintendent has borrowed my book and told me yesterday that he is on page 90, so I'm hoping to get it back from him soon.   I'm THRILLED he is reading it.   Our school board is recommending a book a month in our district to the community.  The first one was Dweck's book on Mindset.  I suggested Boaler's book as a possible second read and my superintendent jumped on the opportunity and asked to borrow my book!    He's in his second year in our district and is a parent of 5 girls in our school system.  Jo expresses our goals to develop good problem solvers quite well.


    I love Jo Boaler's ideas about mathematics teaching.  She also seems to have gained a level of popularity that will do great things for mathematics education.  It is rare to have a math education researcher publish in a style that is accessible to teachers, parents and others in the general public.  I find that quite exciting.   My colleagues and I took the online course "How to Learn Math" the summer that Jo offered it first.  Last year my students took part in the "How to Learn Math for students" course and I feel like the messages about growth mindset, the power of mistakes in learning, and the current brain research really hit home with many of them.  I feel like I get a good classroom culture going each year, but last year, it was really even better.  This year, we started the school year with Jo's week of inspirational math which we learned about on her YouCubed site that is loaded with wonderful resources.   She created some new videos with people telling their math story.


    My math story is much like those of you who have written so far.  I was good at math and excellent at memorizing much of it.  It was timed fact tests and lots of very traditional sorts of work.  Problems were something you got to at the end of a lesson or chapter if you were lucky and the problems always were solved in the exact way you had just been practicing.  Then I started teaching math and after 5 years of teaching with the very traditional two page lessons in a Heath Mathematics book......with my 8th grade book only slightly different from my 7th grade book, I switched schools and ended up with one using a problem centered curriculum (CMP).  It was through CMP that I have learned many deeper connections between mathematical ideas and had the opportunity to give students to wrestle with very real problems for which there is not a prescribed solution.  I feel like my CMP teaching has been much of what Jo is advocating for in these opening chapters.


    Now, will have to wrestle my book back from my superintendent!   I want him to read it all, so I'll have to get creative with sharing.  Didn't want to miss an opportunity there.

  • Thursday, November 05, 2015 3:36 PM
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    Hi, I am a developmental math teacher for grades k -2 in Norfolk, Ma. This is my third year in this position, prior to this i have been a classroom teacher for grades 3,4, and 5 for eight years. My math education was very traditional and I was only required to learn math until I was a sophomore in high school. Although I am sure I had wonderful teachers, my learning never went past the thought of just getting me to the next level.  


    Determined to make math a learning and engaging subject, the first couple parts of this book pulled me in hook line and sinker. It is scary to think this is a nationwide issue, because I feel the heat of the math daily in my position. I sometimes feel like I am a defensive player on the math education team. Reading about the growth mind set to the emphasis on the mathematical practices to teachers encouraging students to grow and learn in math- that's what makes me excited to come to my job everyday.  In my position, working with the teachers and the parents is just as important as working with my students. In the last paragraph on xxii it states that we are in a position to change the landscape of mathematics teaching and learning in the United States…forever, that is very exciting and challenging all at once.  Connecting the curiosity of numbers and the intricate patterns of nature to "school math" in such a way that students are making discoveries is what math class should be like. We need to take the boring out of math. As a district we are working very hard to move our education for the students forward, but it is taking an ample amount of time to do that. Having open ended questions that are not teacher lead is so important for the students to think. As mentioned in the book, many people including educators and parents have a level of math anxiety. I think it would be truly awesome if our kids/students did not even know what that meant. Math is hard, reading is hard…but we can all learn it somehow some way. 

  • Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:18 PM
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    I'm Sandy Ollerhead and I've been teaching high school math for 20 years. My own math education was fairly traditional, although I did have a teacher for calculus who told us on the first day that he was going to try something new and have us work together in groups.  It must have been a pretty novel idea at the time since he went through a long explanation of what the research said about the benefits of students working in groups.


    Here are a couple things that stuck out at me in the preface and introduction.


    "Mathematics, more than any other subject, has the power to crush students' confidence" (xvii)

    I'm always amazed at the strong negative feelings that adults I've talked to have toward math years after they stopped taking math classes.  I think the opposite of this statement is true as well--when I talk to students or adults who have a positive experience with math it seems to give them a big confidence boost.  


    "The mathematics that people need is not the sort of math learned in most classrooms" (p. 7)

    I see two factors that are driving the need for change in mathematics education.  The first is all the research about how students learn and how important it is for students and teachers to have a growth mindset.  The second is our changing world--where we have technology that can perform any calculations, we need to shift our focus to applying the math and problem solving. It's easy to teach procedures and algorithms but a much bigger challenge to teach students how to think.


    I look forward to discussing these challenges with all of you!


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  • Monday, November 02, 2015 7:59 PM
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    Hi 

    I have been teaching math for over 30 years.    My personal experience in math learning experience in the lower grades has been more memorization of facts.   Now that I have been teaching math in elementary school, I have been trying to help my students understand why and to build my  student own techniques in problem solving.   I am hoping to find ways to help my parents understand that children will have a better understanding of all topics of math if they are allowed to explore before they are given a rule and to recognize that math is fun but challenging.   Also have my students be willing to be challenged and not afraid to take risks of attempting problems that might be hard.   

    I am excited that we will be able to share our ideas as we read and discuss the book.

  • Monday, November 02, 2015 2:36 PM
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    I am a retired 7-12 math teacher and coach. I now serve on your ATMIM Board. Jo Boaler says it all so well. Adults will not need to know or ever use the quadratic formula, PEMDAS or cos 30°. The skills they have mastered concerning problem solving will serve them well in so many situations. I am hopeful that parents, school administers and politicians will get the message.
  • Monday, November 02, 2015 10:19 AM
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    Hello!  I am Jen Hudak, I am a K-5 Math Coach in Beverly, MA.  This is my first year as a Math Coach.  I have 10 years experience teaching grades 4 & 5 math in the Lynn Public Schools District.


    I remember my math learning being mostly skill and drill.  Most of my days were spent memorizing facts and rules. 


    Some important points that jumped out at me from the preface and introduction are:

    • The growth mind-set in math is something we need to instill in our Ss.  They need to believe that intelligence and "smartness" can be learned.  
    • "For students to see mathematics as a subject of learning, they need tasks and questions in math class that allow for learning." (p. xvii)  This is a big point that I'm excited to learn more about.  As a coach, I'm trying to get my teachers to see that this model of a math block can work if we give them opportunities to try to figure it out for themselves.  So many of us are just used to giving them the lesson and then having them practice practice practice, whereas this suggests that maybe we need to let them explore and discover how to solve problems on their own.  I can't wait to read more about this!
    • We need to tell Ss that mistakes are productive; when they make a mistake in math, their brain grows, synapses fire, and connections are made. (p. xix)  This seems like it will take a long time to shift the thought process because we are a culture of always wanting to get it right.  I think in order for students to know that mistakes are great, we also have to get the parents on board, and it will take a big shift in the teachers' mindsets too!  I am curious to see how to foster this shift in a school.
    • "Instead of mathematics classroom lessons filled with short questions that students are intended to get right or wrong, they need to be filled with open-ended tasks that include space for learning as well as space for struggle and growth." (p. xx)  I'm hoping we can learn more about how to develop these tasks and learning spaces for the students through this book.
    Looking forward to a great discussion of this book!  -Jen
  • Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:50 PM
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    Welcome. Our goal for ATMIM's Book Discussion Group is to discuss ways of meeting the challenges of education in mathematics through Jo Boaler's eyes as we discuss 'What's Math Got to do With It?"


    Jo Boaler's book outlines solutions that can transform students' math experiences including classroom approaches, strategies for students, and advice for parents.  Every two weeks we will be examining a different chapter in Jo Boaler's  book "What's Math Got to do With it?"  


    1) As a starter, please introduce yourself.  


    2) Please reflect on the ways in which many of us typically learned math and tell us how you learned math throughout your career so far.


    3) The preface and introduction had many ideas of what is happening in today's world of mathematics.  Jo Boaler gave a few ideas that she shared in this section.  Please share which ideas you read that caught your eye and were important for you to remember.   For example, in the preface Jo Boaler "Students need to learn to problem solve and persist when tasks are longer or more challenging."  What does this mean for our teaching today?


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